Hello and thanks for the brilliant update!
Since the update the fast forwards like Ardie Savea, Michael Hooper, Siya Kolisi etc. Are significantly slower than the backs and struggle to make covering tackles on the backs out wide during defence and cant keep up in support with their own backs when they make line breaks.
Ive tried putting a 100 speed rating for a forward and he was still a lot slower than an average back.
It is much better and realistic that most props and Locks are slower than the backs but there are a lot of back rowers,locks and even front rowers (Toupou, Aumua, Dane Coles) who are just as fast if not faster than a lot of backs who now cannot keep up with any back.
I hope that this is something that could be fixed because it would make the game better!
Defiantly a balance thing.. I do enjoy the change though.. but yes I agree there are some star players in the loose forwards that could easily play well in the centers lol .
Thanks for the suggestion here guys!
Just noticed this too. Almost impossible to get a break or any kind of running metres with a forward now, even if they have good speed/acceleration as they have been made generically slow. This needs looked at as it's spoiling the game.
Has their speed been lowered by a certain percent as if so it needs removed and returned to being based on attributes
I am not agree, may be some stars player need to be increase, but when I see itoje or Savea running as fast as kolbe or barrett, and making 40 meters tries it is not right also. I prefer the new update. May be they can introduce something special for stars forward player well-know for their speed or other characteristic M.Marx stealing ball in ruck, Kolbe super step etc... A kind of special move or characteristic for top player.
But that's down to the individual player stats being wrong in the game, which we should be allowed to edit for all players! Some forwards, such as Hooper and Savea are just as fast as backs, and putting a carte blanche reduction on speed across all forwards is both unrealistic, unnecessary and spoils the game in my opinion.
I've already spent a considerable amount of time editing attributes to make sure players have the appropriate speed (apart from those players who are annoyingly locked) and this has totally spoiled the balance I had obtained.
If anything this should be another option to turn on or off in game settings. I for one enjoyed my forwards getting the occasional long range try, its very satisfying and it happens in real life all the time!
I maintain that some player need to have a special ability attribute or skill. For example a player like Savea who run like a center is very rare, in France there is Macalou, it is difficult to make a rule base on exception. . However, I understand your problem, I did not edit player data because it is a Beta and many thing can change during this period, do not forget to upload in fan hub to secure your change. If you spend a lot of time in editing many players it also means that there a problem at the beginning with the overall management of the player speed.
I agree about certain players having special skills, hopefully this is something that can be added, but the forwards are definitely too slow now. There's a few amendments that have been made in this patch that have been taken a bit too far i
Thanks for your suggestions here guys!
Just a short video to show the issue of overly slow forwards. The player making the break is Liam Squire, the player who chases him down is Richard Kahui. Both created players with a difference in speed of 6. Now I'm not saying Squire wouldn't be run down from the half way line, but not that quickly with that little a speed difference! It's like he has concrete boots on!
I do not know but may be it is just not only the speed attribute involved in this situation. stamina, weight, accelaration can have a role. Are you sure the man with the ball is sprinting ? Also difference is 6 mean 70 and 76 or 76 82 ? may be there is an exponential curve for the speed. Both player are the same acceleration and same stamina ? I try to guess because it is interesting, I understood that they have added inertia depending on the weight.
By the way this action feel rugby from my point of view, with the front raw not able to reach the man with ball, and a quicker player come to tackle him :-)
Yeah he was definitely sprinting, and the speed difference was they are both in the 70's, but still not enough of a difference that the gap should be run down that quickly. Its definitely a rule they have put in to stop forwards making breaks, you can tell when a forward gets a ball that they are running way slower than they should be, especially when you know what speed you made them.
I'm all for forwards and backs having different speeds, but the difference is now too much!
before the patch this kind of break it is a try or 60 m run, now it is a 20 m run. Personally I prefer the new version but I understand what you mean. I am not a developer I imagine it is not so easy to find the right balance, between speed acceleration, weight and power.
Yeah they're never going to please everyone, hopefully they can make it a user controlled slider in the gameplay options so that we can all adjust it to our own preference, that would be the best method I think. (I do still love a forward making a big break though, just look at Sam Whitelock going 60m for a for the crusaders, great sight!)
After spending some time this week I like the new update on player speeds between forwards and backs. I think a slider could be good for everyone if that’s possible to get implemented.